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  1. TankFrank

    TankFrank Command Sergeant Major (13) Former Moderator

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    1) SO + MANY = SUMS

    What is the value of the product O * Y?

    (letters represent significant decimal digit; different letters correspond to different digits).

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    2) There are 2004 sets, each one of 40 elements such that, in any way you take 2 sets, they have exactly one common element. Show that there is an element that is common to all the 2004 sets.

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    Good luck. :)
     
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    Tank 1337 First Lieutenant (16) Member

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    Is #1...Eight?
    and #2...I have no idea D:
     
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    Kendall&Grace Captain (17) Member

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    fuck math .-.
     
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    Staple General of the Army (25) Member

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    yes, sit home and not give a shit about anything but gaming
     
  5. chickadee

    chickadee Sergeant Major (12) Member

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    #1 equals 35
     
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    TankFrank Command Sergeant Major (13) Former Moderator

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    Right but... half right. There's another possible value (and it's not 8 Tank1337 :p)

    And it would be nice if you could explain us the method you used... ;)

    SUGGESTION FOR #2 : Take a set and show that one of its elements is contained in at least 50 other sets. Then show that this element must be contained also in all the other sets.
     
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    chickadee Sergeant Major (12) Member

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    chickadee Sergeant Major (12) Member

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    im to tired to post right now but if someone starts a conversation with me I will tell them

    besides someone else might want to try and solve it :D
     
  9. Kendall&Grace

    Kendall&Grace Captain (17) Member

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    I'll give it a try. O(15 (# on the alphabet/26) then Y (25 / 26 )
    So 15 * 25 = 375
     
  10. TankFrank

    TankFrank Command Sergeant Major (13) Former Moderator

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    Mmm, no because the result must be related to the formula: SO + MANY = SUMS...

    And btw chickadee already gave an exact response which is 35. But there is another possible and correct result that is still missing.

    HINT: If you look at the thousands and the hundreds you'll notice that it must be M+1= S, A=9, U=0.
     
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    BLACKED.com Lieutenant General (23) Member

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    TankFrank Command Sergeant Major (13) Former Moderator

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    Ok, seems like none has solved it hence I'm gonna give you solutions.

    #1 Looking at the thousands and hundreds, it must be M + 1 = S, A = 9 and U = 0. If O + Y = S, then S + N = 10 + M, but this (along with M + 1 = S) implies N = 9 that is impossible (because A = 9). So it must be O + Y = 10 + S and S + N + 1 = 10 + M, hence N = 8. As the digits not yet occupied are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, necessarily Y · O is less than (or equal to) 6 + 7 = 13. Then S = 1 or S=2 or S=3.

    If S = 1, we have M = 0 that is impossible.
    If S = 2, we have O + Y = 12 that is O*Y = 35.
    If S = 3, then O + Y = 13 that is O*Y = 42.

    #2 Fix a set and call it S. There exists at least one element of S that is contained in at least 51 sets (counting S itself) otherwise the total number of the sets couldn't be greater than 50*40=2000, which is absurd. Let's call this set S1, S2, ..., S50.

    Let "x" be this element. We want to show that x is contained in all the other sets. Suppose there exists a set, say A, which does not contain x. If we intersect A with one of the 50 sets above, we obtain another 50 sets (we call them B1, B2, ..., B50) that are non empty. Furthermore if we intersect two of this sets we obtain nothing, because A does not contain x. But this is absurd because it would imply that A has at least 51 element. Hence such A can not exists and x is contained in every set.
     
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    BLACKED.com Lieutenant General (23) Member

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    Could you kindly tell me what grade in highschool/university you learn that shit?
     
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    chickadee Sergeant Major (12) Member

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    It's not shit; It's common sense.... -.-
     
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    TankFrank Command Sergeant Major (13) Former Moderator

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    I don't know. I suppose it is when they teach you how sums work and they teach you the notion of a set. So probably at the elementary school. :p
     
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    BLACKED.com Lieutenant General (23) Member

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    u listen to me rait nao.
    i am grayde 8 und olmost 9, mai teechar nevar tought us dat shit!
     
  17. cacadun

    cacadun Unconfirmed Member

    Europe schools are best. ;)
     
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    Chard Corporal (5) Member

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    I lived in Europe for 3 years. IKR. But hey, go 'murica.
     
  19. WildHogs

    WildHogs Unconfirmed Member

    Its mathematical reasoning. which I probably studied in class 10-12. Remember to implement your realtime common sense while solving these! Also, you gonna need this even after ur Ph.D, trust me!
     
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    TankFrank Command Sergeant Major (13) Former Moderator

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    I don't get what you mean?o_O
     
  21. chickadee

    chickadee Sergeant Major (12) Member

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    I think it means he couldn't solve it xD
     

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