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General Moderator Feedback Thread

Discussion in 'Forum Talk' started by Towel, May 18, 2014.

  1. banna

    banna ★The Sheriff★ Moderator

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    It works with both my phone and laptop even with using adblock.

    The idea of making this thread isn't of-course to be a "wall of shame" as you mentioned, or anything near this, it's just whenever someone gets banned for breaking the rules,
    others always seem to question the action been taken without even knowing the whole reasons, we just wanted to be more clear and open about it with the others (as requested) ... This way will allow you to see things from our point of view to be more clear.

    It should contains

    • The banned member
    • The ban duration
    • The ban reason
    • The rule that got violated.
    ~Peace~
     
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  2. Credipede

    Credipede I'm a human, not an insect. Administrator

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    If an active member has been banned, other active members will find it out anyways by checking the profile or by seeing a striked through username, so I think that's fine. About the fraud warning: I have no idea why some people experience this issue. My normal browser and my mobile browser aren't showing that warning. It's most likely a false-positive, it's a simple thread with a few lines of text, nothing else.
     
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  3. RumMumMario

    RumMumMario General of the Army (25) Member

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    I completely agree with you. The thread really seems like a pointless promotion of background drama and discussions behind-their-back. Indeed some will find it out, but it won't be as "publicly known" and guiltful to the banned user. If their intent is to accumulate stats/proof for future incidents or whatever then the thread should only be viewable to staffs.

    It really is a shame list since each post in the thread will probably have certain amount of likes, it would be like allowing people to cheer and be clearly aware of the fact that a student got suspended at school for whatever the reason. The student deserves suspension but not everything else that spreads around in the background. It's good to keep us up to date with things like username changes but this is starting to go a bit too far.

    Also, few words regarding the new rules. "as example if a user has a general toxic or bad behavior" This should not be a reason to ban a user, you should only ban a person if they have posted something that is clearly against the rules - or posts that constantly go across the border. If they're "generally toxic" as you stated then they should have these kinds of posts posted quite often and the fact that you can ban them without them posting anything that offends the rules seems very BS.
     
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  4. Holy2334

    Holy2334 Sergeant Major of the Army (14) Member

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    This. Besides, this doesn't solve anything nor make things easier to explain. The part that's left out is the timing of the ban, why it's being enforced now vs an earlier time when it should've been enforced in the first place. It's even more of a problem when the rules are being enforced onto one person while another doing the exact same thing, or close to it isn't getting the same punishment.

    It's even more of a problem for me when people who break petty rules are getting strict punishment, while people who blatantly break the worst rules aren't getting tat strict punishment. (This doesn't happen here though, but that's the line for me)

    In short, the thread is going to do more harm than it is good. If there isn't a way already, there needs to be something that allows a user to contact the staff after they have been banned to dispute their case if they believe they have been banned unfairly. From what it looks like, they don't have that chance to dispute it and it leads to other people that don't need to be involved getting involved to defend that person, because they can't do it themselves and that's when things blow up.
     
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    Mr Synikal Sergeant Major of the Army (14) Member

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    I don't know why everyone needs to know that someone got banned. That should only be between the staff and the forum member. Simple as that. As a respect to the banned person, I know that if it happened to me, I wouldn't want it put on a billboard with all fingers pointing at me if I was ever able to return. Being banned is bad enough, but to further embarrass the person in the public eye is not necessary.
     
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  6. banna

    banna ★The Sheriff★ Moderator

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    The staff integrity was questioned in multiple occasions lately, for not being open or clear about the action been taken, we were asked to share such things with the forum members so they be able to see and judge themselves , which is why we made this log, we don't wish to shame anyone, we don't even want ban anyone to begin with (unless they deserve it), and we certainly don't need a log to keep track of the bans, it was only for you...

    If most of you see it as a bad idea then i will discuss with the others to remove this thread.

    Thanks for the feedback !
     
  7. Credipede

    Credipede I'm a human, not an insect. Administrator

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    Active members will find out anyways when an active member has been banned, so why not share it to the public to make it more transparent? I can understand the part about the likes, I wish I would be able to add an add-on which automatically shows when a member has been banned (without the reason). Would it make it any better if we would only share the name of the user and the length of the ban, without the ban reason?
     
  8. referee11

    referee11 Captain (17) Member

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    That would, in theory, make it better. I feel like it would be pointless if the user had to contact the mods to find out the reason of the ban. You might as well have nothing at all then.

    In response to it being a "wall of shame", it doesn't have to be one if people follow the rules they agree to in signing up for the service (of course, having access to commenting on the forums). If people followed what was there, we wouldn't need any of this in the first place. It's not like people are getting banned left and right. If you follow the rules, you won't get banned, period. And that (should) apply to everyone. Besides, we always find out that information anyways. I wouldn't have known Aeova was ever banned if it wasn't a massive topic. All it's doing is putting that information into one place. I don't see how that's any worse than ever talking about it to begin with. I think the mods have stepped up to make some of these issues more transparent, which I find good. However, I think that the likes should be disabled, if possible, out of respect for the banned user.
     
  9. Mr Synikal

    Mr Synikal Sergeant Major of the Army (14) Member

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    What's the reason to advertise someone being banned? You say "Active members will find out anyways when an active member has been banned." Save the forum member further public embarrassment and just take care of it between you, the staff, and the member. Why does the world need to know? Is it like a "neighborhood watch" thing because the community needs to be aware of an offensive person is on the loose? If the member served the ban and returned to the forums with good intention, that's how they should be treated instead of being a publicized marked person to the community. I'm not trying to persuade the ruling, just putting in my thoughts.
     
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    referee11 Captain (17) Member

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    The forums already finds out about this stuff via major conversations. If this is offensive, then someone else talking about their ban in public is offensive, too. Speaking about Aevoa's ban, for example, isn't any worse than putting the details into a thread. We already are talking about it, why not put it there? Plus, those posts speaking about Aevoa's ban can still be liked, too. I don't understand the difference.
    This is a fair point. However, I don't think a person who spams a little and gets banned for a short time isn't gonna have haters on their back. It's our job as a community to give them a second chance, for any ban. If we don't give them a second chance, that's a problem. We have to be willing to accept these people back in if they aren't permabanned. That's why I think the "wall of shame isn't fair. It's only a "wall of shame" if you're disrespectful enough to make it one.
     
  11. banna

    banna ★The Sheriff★ Moderator

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    Aside from the fact that Xenfero crosses the banned member's username while he is banned. Also lot's members always seems to approach the staff asking about the banned member, the duration and what for and question us if we don't give a clear answer, this is what he means by "Active members will find out anyways", it's not like we go "advertise" to anyone or everywhere.
     
  12. Mr Synikal

    Mr Synikal Sergeant Major of the Army (14) Member

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    Understood, however, being on a publicized banned list is in fact a form of advertising. Nevertheless, it's the staff's ruling and if that's what you want to do, so be it.

    Also understood, but, being promoted from a staff official is much different than you and I talking about someone being banned. It just doesn't look good in my opinion.
     
  13. banna

    banna ★The Sheriff★ Moderator

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    No, it's about what you guys want, not what we want which is why i stated above that if the majority see it as a bad idea, then it won't happen, we can't and won't force anything on anyone : )
     
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  14. RumMumMario

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    I'm one of the most active member on these forums and yet whenever someone gets banned I often don't even realize that someone actually got banned. Few members will be curious and nosy to find out why some are banned, but that doesn't mean everybody will be curious about it. Your intention may be for good reason and/or to save some of your own time but it will really trigger more shit than good. By making a thread like this it's like saying "Here is some drama-of-the-day, go have fun everyone!", it's really nothing else than promotion of drama, even if this is not what you intend things to be like. It won't be a good image when a new user sees the list some time from now, either.

    As I said, I'm completely fine with the idea of making a ban log, as long as it's privatized within staff members. You can still save much time by simply copy-pasting the post in the log and send it to the user.
     
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    15Galaxy15 Sergeant Major (12) Member

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    And who's the fault? Staff's or forums users that make drama? Sorry, but this complaing (of "exposing") is the kind of drama you're just complaining of.

    About the exposing, no reason of complaining. When someone is banned, we know or we dont. The complaining will happen the same way... The difference is: it will be on a thread, and not lots of different people (usually friends) complaing in a private message. So, intead a lot of people asking the saame thing (and knowing that some people will know, cause some people really like gossip), there is a place where everybody can see and save time. Lets stop with the hipocrisy, please.

    RESPECT and GOOD SENSE are needed from every forum users, so no problems will ever happen. Simple...
     
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    Awesume Sergeant Major of the Army (14) Member

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    Just an idea,
    Why not just make a conversation with all the active members, and lock replies? Instead of having a thread about it. And then we can choose to leave the conversation if we don't want to know about it.
     
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    referee11 Captain (17) Member

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    That's a good idea, but how would you do that? XenForo probably has a cap at 100 members or something like that. Not everyone would fit. After 2 full convos, repeating that one message would be annoying.
    In my opinion, a better idea would be making an announcement like the new rules. When you click on it, you get more details. If you don't want them, you can turn them off in the options. Since they can be spread easily to all current users, that would be better than convos.
     
  18. Batgirl

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    Maybe it does it all depends on when Kyle updated this forum.

    And about exposing a banned member... This forums has a Freedom of Information Act.

    Rimshot
     
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