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General Moderator Feedback Thread

Discussion in 'Forum Talk' started by Towel, May 18, 2014.

  1. referee11

    referee11 Captain (17) Member

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    Alright, tonight, the new plugin for spambot protection will be deployed. If it works, won't it be a little harder to tell the work ethic of each individual mod, or how much work they do? If so, it would be a little harder to see what each individual mod does for the community, right? I don't think I'm off-base there, but I might be. ._.
     
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    Black Widow Forum Staff Member Administrator

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    Actually we can in a way tell who is and who isn't now since xxx has access to Moderator logs that allows him to see which Moderator is deleting what.
     
  3. referee11

    referee11 Captain (17) Member

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    Cool! You have them logs! In any case, ty for that. At least now we know we still won't have any slacking mods, because of no spambots (I hope it works).
     
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  4. Erile

    Erile Sergeant Major (12) Member

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    Honestly, removing spam bots is an easy function, and not a good measure of who is a good moderator lol. It only requires being the first to see it. Some sites have a level below moderator to do that function. ;)

    While yes, good admins have to be around enough to be a part of the action, they also have to exhibit patience, a respectful tone in all situations, the ability to hand over a problem if they are too upset about it, and other such skills. :)
     
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  5. RumMumMario

    RumMumMario General of the Army (25) Member

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    I still see threads getting locked and thrown away into the graveyard.

    Please tell us why the thread is getting locked. Seriously, it's annoying.
     
  6. banna

    banna ★The Sheriff★ Moderator

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    Which threads ? if they legit i can bring them back, also keep in mind there are some sections moved entirely to the graveyard by xxx when the steam sections were created.
     
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    RumMumMario General of the Army (25) Member

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    Erile Sergeant Major (12) Member

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    I swear I had a thread in this subforum that vanished on me... ?

    *edit*----------------

    Ok, it was pointed out to me that it got moved to the graveyard.
     
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  10. Towel

    Towel look mom i have a custom title Former Moderator

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    Alright. After some happenings in a certain thread and a few conversations, I feel like I have a solid opinion. Google's role as a moderator should be reevaluated.

    First off, there has already been extensive proof compiled by one moderator showing how Google straight up just doesn't do his job as a moderator of the forum. And when it was finally brought up, Google did nothing but dodge the accusations without actually confronting the problem. I don't know if I should disclose the actual proofs without permission, but you know who you are and so does the entire moderation team. If you'd like to post the proofs, feel free. But that was a few months ago. That's not what tipped me over the edge to make this post. Although it had a great part in making me realize how bad a choice Google was.

    EDIT: I've been given permission from banna to post these proofs here.
    Here's a capture of the conversation. http://i.imgur.com/DNiLR0R.png Notice how he never even confronts the problem eye to eye, he just simply dodges it and the problem is forgotten. A solution was never found, Google did not change.
    Here's banna's compiled evidences:
    http://s10.postimg.org/ar8x5f3hz/Screenshot_36.png
    http://s10.postimg.org/6abyszzw9/Screenshot_38.png
    http://s10.postimg.org/7dw34ykjd/Screenshot_42.png
    http://s10.postimg.org/mrud65awp/Screenshot_43.png
    http://s10.postimg.org/ov4sdtapl/Screenshot_47.png
    http://s10.postimg.org/dg3pvg8zd/Screenshot_48.png

    These images clearly show Google online and posting yet completely ignoring the onslaught of spam being bombarded on the forums. This is not what we would want of a moderator

    Yesterday's "incident" is what made me realize he was a bad choice. It may have been small and just been one quick exchange, but in all honesty it is telling of Google's online persona. Here's the conversation. The points made about the game don't really matter, here's a summary of what happened:

    Google made a post with some points, and I decided to refute those points for the sake of discussion. Then, rather than adding to the conversation, Google decided to post that "he just wrote some baloney" as bait to see if he could garner a reaction. Now, I'll be honest, I didn't handle the situation at the time as maturely as I could have, but neither did Google. And Google is a mod. He's supposed to be an example.

    See, there's two different ways this possibly went down.
    1) Rather than taking the high road and adding to the discussion at hand, Google decided to pretend that he was making up what he said to cover the fact that he can't admit to being wrong sometimes. This resulted, obviously, in the derailment of the topic, when he could have made a post saying something like "Yes, many of those points are agreeable, but what about X and Y?". Instead he decided to act high and mighty, as if he outsmarted somebody when really he was making a fool of himself without contributing to the discussion in any meaningful way.
    2) He actually did mean to post a trollish bait to prove that "there is not point in explaining what [he] meant". If that was indeed the case, he actually posted with the intent of derailing the topic into an argument about how "complaining" doesn't help anybody. (Oh, and guess what? Those "complaints" ended with Kyle answering our prayers. How about that?)

    There are very many other small nitpicky things I could bring up in Google's offence, but I think what is mentioned here sums it up nicely. He doesn't do his job, he can't own up to his mistakes, and he can't keep his act together as an authority figure of the forums.

    That's all I really have to say. I'm sure there are people who agree with me, but I really needed to get that off my chest. If you want to come clamoring to Google's defense, please speak of him as a moderator doing his job, not as a friend. I'm not attacking Google as a person, I'm criticizing his performance as an authority figure with a job. And that job? He's not doing it very well.
     
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  11. Staple

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    Alright, since Towel brought up the majority of the points I was going to mention, I’d like to bring up one more point: How Google was admitted to moderation status.

    As you can see, slightly more than a year ago, Google and TankFrank were elected moderators. Let’s be honest here. It was more about who was popular, rather merit. Did people just vote for him because they liked the guy, or did they sit down and think, “Huh. Does he have the qualities that make someone a great moderator? Will he actually do his job when he can, and not just when he feels like it?”

    Funny thing is, in that thread, I supported Google. It was only because he seemed cool, (again, popularity contest) and I was heavily biased against Deception and Black Widow, which I should not have been. Looking back, if I had the same (dare I say: mature?) way of thinking back then that I have now, I would take a second look at Google, and give more thought and acceptance for Deception and Black Widow, who have both done an excellent job, alongside many other moderators, to keep a clean and polished forum for us all to enjoy.

    Of course, naive and easily influential probably-like-12-years-old Staple didn’t think like that. Neither did a lot of the ones who voiced their vote and opinion in that year-old thread.

    I’d like to touch up some points Towel mentioned. I talked with some of the longer-standing members of the forums, alongside some moderators. None will be mentioned by name and will remain anonymous unless they choose to reveal him and/or herself.

    Google has some traits that seem highly questionable and unfit for moderation in a community forum. As Towel mentioned, he has not been doing his job lately as a moderator. Now, I do not have much a say in this, as I don’t completely know everything about this particular point, but I have been talking with other moderators, and this does seem like something that has been happening as of late. As I’d like to think a moderator is supposed to do his work, Google hasn't. Again, I’m not going to weigh this /as much/, since I do not have full information or knowledge regarding this and continuing on this point on the current premises would not be reasonable.

    Towel mentioned yesterday’s mishap. He has said all that was needed to be said, and all of which I fully agree on. Google made a post, that could, more or less, pass as a constructive discussion to the thread’s topic. Instead, he decided that he was pretending, leading to a whole mess of, “hey, he wasn't contributing, he was just trolling, he was just...”, which just isn't something a moderator should do. Assuming he was just planning to get a reaction or see how we acted, why would you do so? I don’t understand. It’s as if he just decided to do that because, again, as Towel stated, he couldn't stand the idea of actually being wrong.

    Google would do just fine as a normal member or former moderator, but I feel as if he just isn't fit for moderator status.

    As the first member of the Forums (3rd but, actual member instead of you know, both of the admins), I’d like to say I had more of my fair share here of the Forums. I know I can be hard to work with, and frankly, I can be an ass. I’ve had my experience here, and if there’s something out of whack, it’s hard for me to just sit here when there's a problem this large staring at me in the face. I can ignore the crappy postings and annoying forumers and a lot of things (now), but for a moderator...that’s one thing I can’t ignore.
     
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  12. RumMumMario

    RumMumMario General of the Army (25) Member

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    Reference quote:
    The above posts are very true. To sum it all up, Google doesn't do his job as a moderator. In the past year I've told him at least three times about a forumer's immense load of spam and meaningless posts. Sometimes he responds with a pitiful excuse and sometimes he simply says he'd do something about it.

    Well, no. He hasn't, he never has and he never was going to. Why? Because the person was simply his so-called 'in-game bff' who were [ENTER YOUR OWN DESCRIPTION] all the time. He's very biased and sticks to the strongest or the most beneficial side to him.We still have a few moderators who are mildly biased (you know who you are) but Google is definitely the one that stands out the most.

    Since the beginning of the day he was promoted to a moderator, I was against it because he simply seemed immature to me and was crystal clear that he was chosen simply because of his in-game popularity. Well, after that, his forum posts started to seem like he was engaged and dedicated into pursuing his moderation duties and I was glad about that. I started to see a better image of him and gave a few compliments. THIS IMAGE is an actual convo which I have received after few weeks of me complimenting him. It's said by a moderator, too.

    My suggestion is to remove him and make Towel as a moderator, again. In my opinion, he has done the best job and was the perfect example of what a member should be on these forums. What makes him so good as a moderator, as everyone probably knows by now, is that he's unbiased. It's not like he has zero friends over the internet, it's just that he recognizes his own position and does what he should be doing.

    Honestly, forum moderation duty isn't even remotely difficult. Considering he has ignored our reports and not that he simply sucked being a mod, he really shouldn't be in that position. All he's been doing is: Shows off his rank in games and spams kChamp with stupidly selfish ideas that only him likes.

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  13. arvidh

    arvidh Unconfirmed Member

    That girl you reported several times have reported you as well, same amount of times. Atleast so I've heard :p But yes, the forum would be a better place without her. And I totally agree with all of what you and staple said
     
  14. cacadun

    cacadun Unconfirmed Member

    @Towel
    Yes, I've said that at the beginning and was criticized by forums, expt. banna.
    Even Agent at that time was supporting Google.
    But the biggest suprise to me is Mario
    This is such a lie that I cant breathe.
    http://www.shellshockliveforums.com/threads/s-questions-answered.10291/
    In here you can see Mario wanting to remove almost all mods excpt. Google, yea, there was also later on where he directly supported google, but it was removed coz it was getting out of control (arguments).
    Mario, we even got in fight coz you were supporting Google, and wanted to remove banna and buying, who did all job at that time.
    So now If @Google567 is a MAN, he'll say who supported him and who stabbed him the back, (not saying supporting him is right) also can confirm that I always was against him.
    Also idk where is my thread/post where I provided evidence where google asked members to SPAM likes, and in his defend he was saying "everyone does it, so its ok", again I was attacked by many.. if someone can find that I would appreciate, provided its not deleted.
    [edit] yes, it was deleted, it was my thread Like#2, where I criticized whole "liking gang"
    (Google, Pud, CG..)
     
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  15. RumMumMario

    RumMumMario General of the Army (25) Member

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    Have you read my post entirely? Here, let me cut it out for you.

    "Since the beginning of the day he was promoted to a moderator, I was against it because he simply seemed immature to me and was crystal clear that he was chosen simply because of his in-game popularity. Well, after that, his forum posts started to seem like he was engaged and dedicated into pursuing his moderation duties and I was glad about that. I started to see a better image of him and gave a few compliments. THIS IMAGE is an actual convo which I have received after few weeks of me complimenting him. It's said by a moderator, too.
     
  16. cacadun

    cacadun Unconfirmed Member

    Your thoughts were going this path
    1) Hes immature wont be good mod
    2)His posts are fine, hes best mod (as you said in that thread two months ago
    3)Just recently you saw the truth?
    So 2 months ago you were supporting him, saying hes the best mod, and just recently someone opened your eyes? okay then my bad.
     
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    RumMumMario General of the Army (25) Member

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    No..... The person sent me the convo after the question answered thread. I should've said few days later.

    I said that he was a very good mod because I didn't notice other mods doing things (foolish of me), Google just stands out as he posts things a lot.
     
  18. Taylor

    Taylor General (24) Former Moderator

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    I will respond to this soon depending on what happens.

    I am not saying I didn't do those things but there are certain members behind the scenes that for a while have made my job as a mod or even being around these forums not a fun place. I'm constantly being reminded of events I have moved past but so called people that say they are "past it and its all good" are actually lying and still harboring resentment. Those people know who they are and pretty much so does everyone else.(These events are way before I was a mod but didn't make it any easier to accomplish anything with those people)
    It doesn't make it any better that a certain clan has a majority of moderators and high popularity people on these forums. Anytime you talk to certain ones you get no where and nothing is accomplished. They only seek their own opinion and could care little about someone else's, even if they are a member of equal authority. I won't name anyone or say what they've done but as a mod I've seen many acts by other moderators that I thought I'd never see from such people. I guess though it was expecting too much when you pick a group of moderators that don't get along and stick to their cliques. You try to improve the wall but they don't want to. It only leads to more negatively and these rumors flying around. Drama rules this place and thats quite a shame. Has been that way for a year and a half sadly though.

    I'm pretty sure thats a reason Buying time left although I know a few other personal reasons. He and I thought this would be such a privilege but it was far from it cause others that we picked just happen to be the type that aren't who they claim to be. Besides that anytime I tried to help this community such as pushing their ideas to Kyle or even getting contact from him it wasn't appreciated. I didn't expect it to be but thats not why I did it. I like playing this game cause its enjoyable and for the friends I've made on it. Sadly these forums have ruined my perception of some I should only know as a player. In this environment a lot goes unsaid and you'd be amazed what goes on around here. The abuse is quite strange.

    I didn't write any of this for pity cause who would need any of that on a forum. I'd be outraged if I got such pity but people need to open their eyes to the toxicity around here that apparently is breeding some how in certain social circles. :/

    Rant on people cause a lot of people already know what I said and just keep to themselves. Its the same old circle of pointing the finger.
     
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    Staple General of the Army (25) Member

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    who mentioned clans

    this is about you and purely you

    hey how come people targeted you and not other mods

    probably because the other ones are pretty damn ok
     
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    Taylor General (24) Former Moderator

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    Don't talk about things you don't know the whole story on man. I've seen things behind the scenes you wouldn't believe out of some.
    About clans, it has a lot to do with a certain one. Everyone knows what some have done behind the scenes but don't say out of fear of confrontation.

    I know I screwed up in some areas but others in power of such a title have done so in other ways and I know nothing will happen to them. Its sadly who you know on these forums which makes it like politics and it shouldn't be like that,.
     
  21. Towel

    Towel look mom i have a custom title Former Moderator

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    It appears you have trouble differentiating criticisms of you as a moderator doing your job and a personality as a user. Bringing up conflicts from before you were a moderator makes that even more apparent. Most of what I've heard of you as a moderator of a forum has been negative. Actually, most all of it. But what I've heard about of you as a person with a personality, you are apparently an alright guy. Not that I, personally, agree with that entirely, but you need to accept that most of us aren't attacking you personally. I may be biased against you as a person, but objectively speaking you're just not a good moderator.

    Why are you bringing clans into this? Are you saying that DH is personally attacking you? This isn't the American government system with Republicans and Democrats. When you're a mod, you're a mod. That's really all there is to it. I have no idea how you could let something so trivial fog up your understanding of being a forum staff member. Clans have literally nothing to do with your performance as a moderator. Don't shift the blame to somebody else.

    Hate to break it to you but there is no online community that isn't subject to drama. You can't avoid it. Drama has been here from the start, even before you signed up. It didn't just suddenly appear out of thin air.

    Being a moderator isn't a privilege. It's a job. You aren't granted the gift of being able to move and delete and sticky and warn, you're given the job to move and delete and sticky and ban. And the other moderators have been doing quite a fine job, so why do you think that your performance is brought up instead of theirs? It's because you, in particular, don't know how to handle the job.

    It might be just my hugely apparent bias, but where is this toxicity and abuse? Is it me disagreeing with your viewpoints? Is it people not saying "Thanks Google!" whenever you flaunt that you have close ties with Kyle? Is it that your position is being bought up as being a mistake? I don't see much toxicity at all. I would just love some examples of all these things you are claiming, the DH accusations included.

    And, for the record, somebody saying their opposing viewpoints isn't toxicity. That's discussion. That's what a forum is for. There would be no reason to have a board just for every member to pat each other on the pack and tell each other how great they are. We're here to discuss and improve SSL as a game and a community, and a good step would be a reevaluation of the moderation team.
     
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    mind telling us which clan

    fear of confrontation, thats a familiar situation
     
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    RumMumMario General of the Army (25) Member

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    It doesn't matter what you do within the clans. Since when were moderators valuable in clans? You may have done a good load of job within the clans but that doesn't grant you a reason for you to stay in the moderator position. You were chosen as a mod to take control of the spambots, not to be the most popular kid in clans.

    Besides, even if you have actually done something that only a mod could do, what would it even be? Uh-huh, sticky, remove posts and uhh, what else? That is less than 1/5 work of what other mods have done.
     
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    Candor Forum Peasant Moderator

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    Says the dude that deleted me because he wanted to limit his friends... While I was nothing but nice to him... There are no cliques here, and I will name names... Some mods did not deserve to be mods, for how they acted and did their job... Some not even being here in the first place. Especially ones who constantly deleted threads on accident, as well as sticking things for their "friends" as a favor... and deliberately ignored spam. That would be Google of course.... Never did anything for the forums, but takes some sort of conceded pride about being "the only one who can get through to kyle".... Sure you spoke with kyle, but that is not what a moderators job is, you belong the forums, and do what you are supposed to do "for the forums".

    You have some paranoia that everyone is against you or something when 'all we want to do is make sure this forums is run the right way, and is a good environment for its members"

    This is extremely annoying... We are moderators... our job is to make sure things go the way they are supposed to go, nothing more.... But no... This mod here wants to bitch about being singled out because some mods happen to be in the same clan.

    There is integrity that goes with this job, and you have none, instead you post on a "feedback" thread for members to give feedback, not for mods to retaliate, and blame other mods for something that is not going on, I assure you.

    Doing what you just did now, just causes more and more problems. Please... If you have any issues... talk it out with an admin or together with the mods before you make some childish fit to seek pitty... because that is exactly what you are doing.

    You are the one pointing fingers to mods just for being in a certain clan... having said that, "YOU AVOID US" we as mods have always seek out your input and criticism, but when you get criticized you go on the defensive and say we are all pointing fingers at you...

    Or why else would you publicly complain?


    So much negative energy... I need some meditation.

    Stay positive, use reason/logic, don't complain about shit, talk it out and fix it in a professional manner, got me giving life lessons here.

    I hate having to do this too :\ It's kind of hypocritical since I'm posting too... But I want this to stop.
     
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    Absolutely. Honestly, why was he deleted? He was deleted just before Steam came out, just when he said he would be more active. That was a mistake, and I think we all realize that that was a poor decision now. Towel deserves his position back.
     
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