Low lvls are OP possible way to make ruler users cry

hi!It's a common thougth that in SSL games low lvls are much more weaker than higher ones.Well it is true for ssl1,ssl2 and first moths of ssl steam.Now they are OP,i played really much games with mostly under lvl 70 people and their weapons,mixed with their awesome skills to use rulers(50% use that i'm not joking) makes thems just OP!For example frogs is devastating weapon in multiplayer that is unlocked at lvl 27/28 and they get it alaways since they have low amounts of weapons,They have sniper that is just OP with ruler,they have saw blade and they have grand finale,that weapon is OP.The strange fact is that needler is a low lvl weapon but no ones dealt me serious dmg with that and they thougth this weapon sucked(probably beacause you can use ruler with that).So ruler mixed with OP weapon makes OP players,how can we solve that problem?Basicly i was thinking to put weapons that need good aim,like sniper,at high lvls.If you put weapons that can be awesome with ruler at high lvls,where basicly no one use ruler,that would solve the problem!Let low lvls weapons like needler/dual needle,inferno,napalm sprinkler ecc.This weapons are good but can't work with a ruler user while weapons like snipers,travelers,summoner ecc must be at high lvls unlock beacause with a ruler thems are just too strong.
That would also make way more sense,weapons that need aim and does huge damage should be unlocked at high lvls.
note: i like the player balance infact some OP weapons should be at low lvls unlocks,but this weapons doesn't have to be good using a ruler.Needler is a perfect example like river,inferno super fleet,7 bounce ecc.
I repeat i heard low lvls saying that NEEDLER is a weak weapon :/ Just to show you how ruler users they are xD

 

I just... If you have good aim, you can shoot it in an arch and deal like 200 dmg(exagerating a bit).
It would be cool if there was a thing where you could check the other player's screen to see if he's hacking.

 

Low levels are not OP, whether or not they use a ruler. You can still make ruler users cry by playing better than them without one, granted you'll have better weapons than them. Which brings me to my next point.

Leaving high skill and damage weapons for higher levels will make things much worse. The low levels will have almost nothing to use against high levels, making skill matter even less between a low and high level than it does now. While the high lvls will get all the good guns so they can bully all the lower lvled people who won't stand a chance, making them more likely to leave the game for good. It's unfair. Sorry, but I don't think this is a very good idea.

 

Noobs don't know how to fire weapons the right way. I bet you these are the same people who fire seagulls directly too.

 

getting 200 dmg by a crit sniper isn't exactly fair,when you know it wasn't aimed.However,like i said,they are OP.They have OP weapons that mixed with ruler dealt Tons and tons of dmg.I m not saying OP weapons must be high lvl,im saying that OP weapons with ruler must be unlcoked at high lvl.Infact frog,needler,inferno,fleet synclets grand finale ecc. are perfect for low lvls,high damage and can't cheat with that.

 

Bruh, this is exactly why we need the Delta of Randomness. Low levels can't beat a high level. Ever. That's just how it works.
Also, you've mastered the game to the power. As mentioned with SubZero in the old thread, this makes you seem insecure. You're going to win every game if you can just hit every shot every time and you have the weapons to do so... .-.

Perfect. I kinda restated that earlier, but this is the way it should be recognized. Low levels are not OP by any means, which is how you win every game. If they were OP, they wouldn't be, because you have almost everything in the game. Again, why the insecurity? You have everything they have plus. Your argument makes no sense here.

 

Okay, they might be OP to begin with, but high levels still have more OP weapons making them even *more* OP. Again, why would you take away what little low levels have and give it all to the high levels? (There's a bit of a parallel here with wealth inequality in the U.S.)

Okay, gonna brag here a bit. I can aim at least as good as a lower leveled ruler user can because the way I aim for arc shots is exactly as if you use a ruler except I have to visualize where the shot's gonna go. The easiest solutions are to make your own games and use high wind and/or rebound mode. Most ruler users won't know how to use their rulers for wind, but I do, and I still don't need a ruler for that.

 

I've never really thought of lower levels as OP per say. When they use a ruler, they can be annoying but not OP. As a level 85, its not that hard to beat a >70 player even if they use a ruler, because if you know how to use the map to your advantage and can make it so even if they are using a ruler they can't hit you it makes it quiet easy. I honestly don't there needs to be any change to weapon level placement. As long as you know how to aim with an arch and can more around the map in the right way, you'll do just fine against a >70 player, even if they are using a ruler.

 

I doubt you could tell if a person was hacking if you saw their screen

 

we have more OP weapons but,you forgot,that we have also more weak weapons!

you said that you don't play much the game,how can you say anything about that then?I played really much with low lvls and the sentence"they are not OP at any means" is faulse.They are OP they often do + 110 dmg.Saw many 150 + with grand finale,crit snipers,frogs ecc
I made this thread also to make understand the "pro vetarans" that this sentece"low lvls are weak" isn't true anymore and it seems you can't or you don't want to understand that.
ps: refree you also said"you have everything they have" that sentence makes no sense.They have x3 chances to get dual needler than me,they have x3 chances to get frogs/bull frog,they have x3 chances to get grandfinale,they have x3 chances to get unfaible sniper,travelers,summoner ecc. yes i have all this weapons but 1/3 of the chances to get it.

Hoever i repeat i'm not saying they should be nerfed,but weapons very strong with ruler just have to be puted for high lvls for 2 reasons
-there are not ruler users at high lvl
-weapons that are hard to land must be given to someone who has skills

edit:in my point of view you can give jackpot to low lvls and sniper to high ones.2 op weapons but jack doesn't work with ruler,that would bring back skill istead ruler

 

No. Just.. no.

 

nice argumentaion!
note: to make an example for everybody,if we switch sniper unlock with jack pot wouldn't that be good?Jack pot is Op but you can't use ruler with that.
I think that you actually like that low lvls beeing OP thanks to the ruler........It's a good thing that they have chances of win but plz not with cheat!I mean i thougth that you were against that,i just gave a suggestion to solve that problem

 

They made the level filter in games for somthing... If you don't want to play with low levels, then use it.

 

hmmm nope,i don't think that giving to ruler users weapons that are good for this metod is good for SSL at first.A low lvl that is an honest person would find this game awfull,his skills wouldn't mean anything.I can stop to play with low lvls but the problem still exist in my point of view

 

Bruh, kChamp isn't even focused on "pro veteran" stuff. And even if he was, he would have his idea already made. I don't even see how this thread even connects to that at all. .-.
Oh no! They do good damage and hit you! How terrible, my friend! You aren't gonna escape any game without taking at least 100 unless you play with real noobs. At this point, they're gonna do big damage. And that is perfectly fine. I support that, actually. If you're a good player, you counter it with a weapon of your own. You have pointed out something improving, and now you want to take it away. Why? Lower levels competing more is what we want. Low levels ARE weak in comparison to high levels. If they were strong, you'd actually lose. If that happens on a consistent basis, we've got something to talk about. If you don't, it's no issue mate. Also, what is your definition of "low"? Anyone who isn't 90+?
What do you mean, "you have everything they have" makes no sense? You're a lvl 100, right? So you have every weapon in the game, right? Pretty much. Does a lvl 70 have the chance to ever get a Nuke without a box? No! You are as OP as you can be, man. This is why it makes you seem insecure. It looks like you just want more power for yourself so you can make faster work of other levels. No one wants that. Also, your fractions make no sense. It is based on luck and total weapons, not 1/3. Where did you get that arbitrary number. .-.
Lastly, low levels need SOMETHING man. Take away that, and what do they have? Flower? Seriously!? They can't win a game against anyone when that is their best weapon! C'mon, think about how things affect other people.

 

Burnt to a crisp.

 

Penguin, I see where you're coming from but I still feel your argument is flawed, not that mine's perfect.

Yes, it's a problem in a team game when everyone on the other side use rulers, leaving you with no chance. But that's just a matter of being overwhelmed by numbers. Individually, you should be able to beat them. If you can't, that's on you. Yes, they're more likely to get needlers, snipers and diggers. But I get the sense that you're saying that like they get those weapons almost all the time when that's just not the case. Other than that, most of what they have are weapons like shot, bulger, roller, tunneler, flame.

Okay sure, molehill, moles, penetrator, volcano, super ball, and shooting star might get in our way. But you talk like our massive shot, big bulger, heavy roller, mega-tunneler, inferno, artillery, rave, BFG 9000, splitter chain, excavation, 2012, wasps, turret, fireball, laser beams, helianthus, pyrotechnics, cosmic rift, napalm, firestorm, shredders, tsunami, and nuke, isn't enough to stop a low level ruler user who was lucky enough to get 3 snipers. On top of that, you have maxed traction, chassis, gun, and luck. We can go wherever the heck we want. Sure, they can get a x2 sniper, but we still have more gun upgrades than them, so we get more x2's than they do. Luck might seem useless but that's probably us just taking it for granted. But low levels struggle to move long distances and climb over pits that you dug for them, with almost no way to counterattack. Just because a low level is lucky enough to get 3 snipers and diggers, does not make them op, that just makes them "lucky". Low levels are not op, WE are. Let's face it, we're just spoiled.

I want rulers to go away as much as you do, but your proposal just isn't the way to go, my friend. I doubt kChamp would make such a drastic change to the weapon distribution anyway, whether the change is good or bad. If anything, implementing your idea would *further* encourage ruler using due to low levels having even less to use while we have more. Ruler users would become more of a non-issue at least since they would be desperately using their ruler with their weak weapons while we effortlessly obliterate them, ruler or no ruler, which still happens right now anyway.

 

Was writing something out but Taco covered a majority of the points already.

@Peng
Your suggestion removes weapons that actually give low levels a chance, whether they even use a ruler or not. Ruler I am against, but this punishes people who actually do play fair too.

On a side note: I've noticed since returning that you and referee tend to have opposing ideas, a lot. Do you listen to what he says or are you just never wrong?

 

I think that's overkill. If Penguin doesen't realize that he went the wrong way, he will never do it. Btw Penguin, we don't care if you had a bad idea for once, you had lots of great
ideas, so don't be salty or mad. You're still Penguin.

 

did you even readed my reply?Well i think you didn't.I said that they shouldn't have ruler good weapons,i didn't said they wouldn not get any weapon!For example in my point of view you can switch sniper with jackpot.Jackpot tier is even more OP than sniper but you can't really use a ruler with that.You didn't readed my thread i repeat that.Yes they don't have Nuke,black hole ecc. but they also DON'T HAVE clover wich is o damage,bound strike,volcano or throwing star cause they buy first summoner and travelers,they don't have fat stacks,they don't have flintlock wich sucks unless in flat zone,they don't have funnel tier with first 3 tiers really weak that wwas the point!I have Strong weapons that they don't have but i have also weak weapons that they don't have
note: don't reply if you don't read this .......
Help to understand: i'm not saying we are weaker cause we have very good weapons as well.I just don't think that low lvls should be OP thanks to ruler,how to fix it?give strong weapons to low lvls that can't be strong with ruler,NEEDLER IS OP and it's a perfect example for a low lvl possible weapon beaacause it can't be used with a ruler.Also napalm is a perfect example,galting gun is a perfect examle,jack pot would be a good example.However,just to give some informations,SSL videos about using a ruler reached more than 2 millions view!That means TONs of ruler users(i also saw that video was really liked as well)

 

Alright, so let's assume all low levels use ruler. If that's true, we might as well assume everyone uses rulers, in which case low levels are underpowered. As others have said, low levels need something, or they won't enjoy the game. Now, let's assume no one uses rulers, in which case high levels are OP. I really don't understand how you can say low levels are OP.

I have played a game against high levels with rulers, in a team with two level 30's, yet we still won. Rulers don't make you good, and they definitely don't make you OP. If they would go for x2's, they might be OP, but they dont.

 

high lvls doesn't user rulers,low lvls yes,How can i see that?High lvls sometimes fail shots or try to do skills shots as well,low lvls shots everything straigth on your head,if you are lucky it's a cactus if you are unlucky it's a crit sniper x2 that deals 400 dmg(well you have to be unlucky for that lol) but crit 200 snipers happened a lot.In my point of view ruler makes you OP whith weapons like snipers,travelers,summoners ecc.

 

You cant just say low levels are OP when you are assuming they all use rulers. Im saying that low levels aren't op, because if both a low and high level with rulers battled, a high level would win

 

I thought this was over. I was wrong, oh so wrong...

 

...that includes Sniper. Sniper is the best weapon in an early arsenal. It is madness to give it to higher levels. It is their best weapon. You're punishing low levels who don't ruler AND ruining the balance of the game further by doing that. .-. Also, Jackpot is one of the few prestige weapons we have. Exchanging the place of Sniper and Jackpot is nothing short of madness. None of Sniper's tiers are worth prestige recognition.